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Bateson on Information and Difference

“ All receipt of information is necessarily the receipt of news of difference, and all perception of difference is limited by threshold. Differences that are too slight or too slowly presented are not perceivable. They are not food for perception.

… To produce news of difference, i.e. information, there must be two entities (real or imagined) such that the difference between them can be immanent in their mutual relationship; and the whole affair must be such that news of their difference can be represented as a difference inside some information-processing entity, such as a brain or, perhaps, a computer.

There is a profound and unanswerable question about the nature of those ‘at least two’ things that between them generate the difference which becomes information by making a difference. Clearly each alone is - for the mind and perception - a non-entity, a non-being. Not different from being, and not different from non-being. An unknowable, a Ding an sich, a sound of one hand clapping.”

Gregory Bateson : Mind And Nature (1979)

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On Gregory Bateson:”  “Form, Substance, and Difference” is the nineteenth Korzybski             Lecture, delivered by Bateson in 1970. In it he points out that he’s             touched on numerous fields but is an expert in none. He’s not a philosopher,             nor is anthropology exactly his business. This doesn’t help me much.             All I know about him is that he has an anthropological background,             was once married to Margaret Mead, and was a prime mover behind the             important Macy Conferences in Cybernetics in the 1940s.
His theme             in the Korzybski Lecture was the same as his theme today: “the area             of impact between very abstract and formal philosophic thought on             the one hand and the natural history of man and other creatures on             the other.” His ideas are clearly of an epistemological nature. He             asks us to do away with our Newtonian language, our Cartesian coordinates,             to see the world in terms of the mind we all share. Bateson presents             a new approach based on a cybernetic epistemology: “The individual             mind is immanent but not only in the body. It is immanent also in             the pathways and messages outside the body; and there is a larger             mind of which the individual mind is only a subsystem. This larger             mind is comparable to God and is perhaps what some people mean by             ‘God,’ but it is still immanent in the total interconnected social             system and planetary ecology.” - John Brockman

On Gregory Bateson:”  “Form, Substance, and Difference” is the nineteenth Korzybski Lecture, delivered by Bateson in 1970. In it he points out that he’s touched on numerous fields but is an expert in none. He’s not a philosopher, nor is anthropology exactly his business. This doesn’t help me much. All I know about him is that he has an anthropological background, was once married to Margaret Mead, and was a prime mover behind the important Macy Conferences in Cybernetics in the 1940s.

His theme in the Korzybski Lecture was the same as his theme today: “the area of impact between very abstract and formal philosophic thought on the one hand and the natural history of man and other creatures on the other.” His ideas are clearly of an epistemological nature. He asks us to do away with our Newtonian language, our Cartesian coordinates, to see the world in terms of the mind we all share. Bateson presents a new approach based on a cybernetic epistemology: “The individual mind is immanent but not only in the body. It is immanent also in the pathways and messages outside the body; and there is a larger mind of which the individual mind is only a subsystem. This larger mind is comparable to God and is perhaps what some people mean by ‘God,’ but it is still immanent in the total interconnected social system and planetary ecology.” - John Brockman

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